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  Latest on UK Court Case - Unbelievable!

  by skeeter1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witness elder denies cover-up at church over 'massaging half-naked schoolgirls'jun 20, 2014 12:53by ciaran jonesdevoted churchgoer mark sewell rejected suggestions his seniority in the barry congregation meant allegations of child abuse would be "swept under the carpet".

  mark sewella former jehovah's witness elder today denied massaging half-naked schoolgirls because he knew his church would "cover up" the allegations due to his position.. devoted churchgoer mark sewell rejected suggestions his seniority in the barry congregation meant allegations of child abuse would be "swept under the carpet".. the businessman, 53, denies 10 historic sex charges against girls and women in a period spanning more than eight years.. during cross-examination by prosecutor sarah waters it was put to the defendant that he "took the risk" of massaging topless schoolgirls because he believed his standing in the church would spare him from allegations of wrongdoing.. ms waters said: "what i'm suggesting, mr sewell, is that it was a cover-up and no-one was allowed to talk about it.".

  greying sewell, wearing a navy suit over white shirt and patterned blue and yellow tie, told merthyr crown court: "not at all, no.".

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  Iz de apozdat lyes mak jewaha badd lookk hiz winneszes no d trud jehawa iz mi happi gd I blive him

  This is how African jws respond on Facebook.

  LMAO!
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  Pope Francis stops his car to bless disabled woman in Italy, BUT WHY CAN'T HE HEAL HER?

  by suavojr in

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  stopping and telling that woman to stand up and walk!

  that would have been something to say "grazie" what happened with all the nice accounts from the bible?

  but if could at least get some of the members from the gb to do this..... .

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  I fully understand the extreme cynicism, but I thought this was rather beautiful. He seems to be the best of a bad bunch in some ways, he is trying to do something about the disgusting paedophilia in the RCC for example. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but this pope does seem to have a bit of a heart and compassion about things, has a feeling for the suffering experienced by the common people. Maybe it is all a charade but he seems to be trying to be a bit more humble and Christ-like, at least in comparison to his predecessors of late We know it's all superstitious nonsense, but put it this way, can you imagine the Governing Body doing something like that?
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  Public Speaker Cries During His Talk

  by James Jackson in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  his talk was about reaching out for the real life.. he is in his mid seventies, then begins to rant on about staying loyal to the organization because many of us have lost loved ones in death and if we want to see them again we must remain in the organization.

  he says he wants to see his father again, then the tears begin to flow right there on the stage.... then an elderly sister during the watchtower study admits to regetting leaving her daughter behind to seek a better life in the u.s, and she is crying.... these 2 meetings was just plain weird..

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  Poor old guy. Yearning for his dad when he is an old man himself. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a resurrection after all. Hope is the father of disappointment, but hope springs eternal. Where would we be without hope, even if what we hope for is just a forlorn dream?
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  "New Light" discretely slipped in on the 2014 regional convention: Paradise in heaven.

  by EdenOne in

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  2. beliefs

  2014 regional convention:.

  on friday, on the last speech of the morning, (the "key speech"), a bethel member slipped in some "new light" rather casually, without much fuss.

  he mentioned the out-of-body experience of the apostle paul, in 2 corinthians 12:2-4, where he experienced being "caught up to the third heaven ... caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible words...".

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  Watchtower Society in denial tinkering around with decorations on the chairs while the titanic sinks.
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  John 9 - disfellowshipped apostates reviled like the Pharisees reviled and cast out healed blind man

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've always admired the mocking honesty and courage of the blind man who was healed by jesus when he was summoned by the pharisees.

  he was thrown out of the synagogue for daring to tell the truth to the blind and arrogant pharisees.. the blind man's parents were afraid to say the truth out of fear of being cast out and ostracised by their religious community.

  how strikingly similar is the situation today for many ex-jw's who have boldly spoken the truth about the watchtower's falsehoods and harm, and who were as a result reviled by being branded mentally diseased apostates, etc, and cruelly cast out of their jw community and shunned, sometimes even by their loved one.. i raise a toast to such ones for their bravery and love of truth.. john 9:8-34 8 therefore the neighbors and those who previously had seen that he was blind said,is not this he who sat and begged?

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  I've always admired the mocking honesty and courage of the blind man who was healed by Jesus when he was summoned by the Pharisees. He was thrown out of the synagogue for daring to tell the truth to the blind and arrogant Pharisees.

  The blind man's parents were afraid to say the truth out of fear of being cast out and ostracised by their religious community. How strikingly similar is the situation today for many ex-JW's who have boldly spoken the truth about the Watchtower's falsehoods and harm, and who were as a result reviled by being branded mentally diseased apostates, etc, and cruelly cast out of their JW community and shunned, sometimes even by their loved one.

  I raise a toast to such ones for their bravery and love of truth.

  JOHN 9:8-34 8 Therefore the neighbors and those who previously had seen that he was blind said,“Is not this he who sat and begged?” 9 Some said, “This is he.” Others said, “He is like him.” He said, “I am he.” 10 Therefore they said to him, “How were your eyes opened?” 11 He answered and said, “A Man called Jesus made clay and anointed my eyes and said to me, ‘Go to the pool of Siloam and wash.’ So I went and washed, and I received sight.” 12 Then they said to him, “Where is He?” He said, “I do not know.” 13 They brought him who formerly was blind to the Pharisees. 14Now it was a Sabbath when Jesus made the clay and opened his eyes. 15 Then the Pharisees also asked him again how he had received his sight. He said to them, “He put clay on my eyes, and I washed, and I see.” 16 Therefore some of the Pharisees said, “This Man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath.” Others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?”And there was a division among them. 17 They said to the blind man again, “What do you say about Him because He opened your eyes?” He said, “He is a prophet.” 18 But the Jews did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind and received his sight, until they called the parents of him who had received his sight. 19 And they asked them, saying, “Is this your son, who you say was born blind? How then does he now see?” 20 His parents answered them and said,“We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind; 21 but by what means he now sees we do not know, or who opened his eyes we do not know. He is of age; ask him. He will speak for himself.” 22 His parents said these things because they feared the Jews, for the Jews had agreed already that if anyone confessed that He was Christ, he would be put out of the synagogue. 23Therefore his parents said, “He is of age; ask him.” 24 So they again called the man who was blind, and said to him, “Give God the glory! We know that this Man is a sinner.” 25 He answered and said, “Whether He is a sinner or not I do not know. One thing I know: that though I was blind, now I see.” 26 Then they said to him again, “What did He do to you? How did He open your eyes?” 27 He answered them, “I told you already, and you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you also want to become His disciples?” 28 Then they reviled him and said, “You are His disciple, but we are Moses’ disciples. 29 We know that God spoke to Moses; as for this fellow, we do not know where He is from.” 30 The man answered and said to them, “Why, this is a marvelous thing, that you do not know where He is from; yet He has opened my eyes! 31 Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him. 32 Since the world began it has been unheard of that anyone opened the eyes of one who was born blind. 33 If this Man were not from God, He could do nothing.” 34 They answered and said to him, “You were completely born in sins, and are you teaching us?” And they cast him out.
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  The Generation that 'WILL NOT DIE'

  by LogCon in

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  2. beliefs

  how many people, shown in this 1914 grade three school picture, do you think may still be alive ?.

  birch school.

  group iii.

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  Ah yes, but your question is passe. More to the point is how many of those children's lifespans OVERLAP with persons living today. HAHAHAHA.

  1914 + 80 = 1994. 1994 + 80 = Do more until 2074!

  
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  End Of End Of The World Education Charities/The Sky Is Falling/Dooms Day Howlers Charity Scam To Educate People To Listen Obey And Don't Get Disfellowshipped.

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm mean how long could it have lasted in the age of the internet easy information access i wonder how many calls they will get from the fraud department before and durring the audit?:.

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131115/charitable-giving/#?insight.

  charitable planning.

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  Sadly, I think this Charities Commission investigation is almost a complete waste of time. At the most there will be some minor administrative changes/tinkering from the result of the audit There's about as much chance of hurting the JW's as hurting the disgustinly greedy Mormons with their 10% tithing (or you won't go to the highest level of heaven) or pretty much any other church.
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  org is dying

  by lambsbottom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't understand why so many ex jws and faders think that the jws will continue to grow and thrive as a religion.

  i still attend a meeting once a week and you can smell the death of the religion creeping up when you hear the talks, read the study wts and hear the letters from the gb.

  the way the organization has changed is a sign that it reached its peak (in "healthy" membership) long ago.

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  What kneehighmiah said above. Many are only in it for social/family reasons. It's very hard to leave an organisation you were born into where your best friends and family belong. People have a need for friends, family, community. They would rather not go to meetings, field service, but the price to pay socially and emotionally by leaving seems too high. The Watchtower's cruel and unscriptural shunning policy works perfectly to keep so many in fear of leaving.

  It's like a lotto ticket, you've got to make some kind of minimal effort to win it. YOU'VE GOT TO BE IN TO WIN. Most would rather leave but they choose to stay in and put in a perfunctory appearance at the meeting and report a few hours a month to win their prize of "everlasting life in paradise on earth".

  You could say it's a kind of Pascal's Wager - JW's rationalise that it's better to just suffer the inconvenience of two meetings a week and a token effort for 3 or 4 hours a month in 'field service' for the sake of the possibility that the JW's may be right and they will survive Armageddon soon and live forever in paradise on earth.

  But there's no doubt the organisation is definitely 'dying' (or at least plateauing) in internet highway, wealthy western countries with high standards of living. The Branch closures, shrinking of magazines, and publisher/statistical declines in former strongholds such as Japan, Germany, Britain, etc, are clear proof of this.
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  Is it wrong to mock and ridicule the Watchtower Society?

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  robert j ingersoll on the great voltaire:.

  "it has been claimed by the christian critics that voltaire was irreverent; that he examined sacred things without solemnity; that he refused to remove his shoes in the presence of the burning bush; that he smiled at the geology of moses, the astronomical ideas of joshua, and that the biography of jonah filled him with laughter.

  they say that these stories, these sacred impossibilities, these inspired falsehoods, should be read and studied with a believing mind in humbleness of spirit; that they should be examined prayerfully, asking god at the same time to give us strength to triumph over the conclusions of our reason.

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  Robert J Ingersoll on the great Voltaire:

  "It has been claimed by the Christian critics that Voltaire was irreverent; that he examined sacred things without solemnity; that he refused to remove his shoes in the presence of the Burning Bush; that he smiled at the geology of Moses, the astronomical ideas of Joshua, and that the biography of Jonah filled him with laughter. They say that these stories, these sacred impossibilities, these inspired falsehoods, should be read and studied with a believing mind in humbleness of spirit; that they should be examined prayerfully, asking God at the same time to give us strength to triumph over the conclusions of our reason. These critics imagine that a falsehood can be old enough to be venerable, and that to stand covered in its presence is the act of an irreverent scoffer. Voltaire approached the mythology of the Jews precisely as he did the mythology of the Greeks and Romans, or the mythology of the Chinese or the Iroquois Indians. There is nothing in this world too sacred to be investigated, to be understood. The philosopher does not hide. Secrecy is not the friend of truth. No man should be reverent at the expense of his reason. Nothing should be worshiped until the reason has been convinced that it is worthy of worship.

  Against all miracles, against all holy superstition, against sacred mistakes, he shot the arrows of ridicule.

  These arrows, winged by fancy, sharpened by wit, poisoned by truth, always reached the centre.

  It is claimed by many that anything, the best and holiest, can be ridiculed. As a matter of fact, he who attempts to ridicule the truth, ridicules himself. He becomes the food of his own laughter.

  The mind of man is many-sided. Truth must be and is willing to be tested in every way, tested by all the senses.

  But in what way can the absurdity of the "real presence" be answered, except by banter, by raillery, by ridicule, by persiflage? How are you going to convince a man who believes that when he swallows the sacred wafer he has eaten the entire Trinity, and that a priest drinking a drop of wine has devoured the Infinite? How are you to reason with a man who believes that if any of the sacred wafers are left over they should be put in a secure place, so that mice should not eat God?

  What effect will logic have upon a religious gentleman who firmly believes that a God of infinite compassion sent two bears to tear thirty or forty children in pieces for laughing at a bald-headed prophet?

  How are such people to be answered? How can they be brought to a sense of their absurdity? They must feel in their flesh the arrows of ridicule.

  So Voltaire has been called a mocker.

  What did he mock? He mocked kings that were unjust; kings who cared nothing for the sufferings of their subjects. He mocked the titled fools of his day. He mocked the corruption of courts; the meanness, the tyranny and the brutality of judges. He mocked the absurd and cruel laws, the barbarous customs. He mocked popes and cardinals and bishops and priests, and all the hypocrites on the earth. He mocked historians who filled their books with lies, and philosophers who defended superstition. He mocked the haters of liberty, the persecutors of their fellow-men. He mocked the arrogance, the cruelty, the impudence, and the unspeakable baseness of his time.

  He has been blamed because he used the weapon of ridicule.

  Hypocrisy has always hated laughter, and always will. Absurdity detests humor, and stupidity despises wit. Voltaire was the master of ridicule. He ridiculed the absurd, the impossible. He ridiculed the mythologies and the miracles, the stupid lives and lies of the saints. He found pretence and mendacity crowned by credulity. He found the ignorant many controlled by the cunning and cruel few. He found the historian, saturated with superstition, filling his volumes with the details of the impossible, and he found the scientists satisfied with "they say." "
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  Breaking News :Charity Commission takes Wathtower to Tribunal in Britain

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  breaking news :charity commission takes watchtower to charity tribunal in britain.

  two weeks ago we run an article about the abuse case in moston manchester congregation .it would seem that the coverage from the main local newspaper manchester evening news and two national newspapers has alarmed the charity commission the official regulator for charities in england and wales and now for the first time !

  they opened an official investigation on both charities ,the local one ,moston congragation and the central one jehovah's witnesses of britain indicating that in their eyes these two are connected and liable for any misconduct .this is the time for a concentrated campaign from all of us to inform the charity commission why the watchtower should not be a called a charity .the article above has a link for the charity commission complaint page .follow it!.

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  The Watchtower puts the blame squarely at Jehovah's feet. He put the 'two witness' requirement in the Bible after all (even though it's clearly only a 'rule' for allegations about non-criminal matters betweens adults in the Christian congregation).

  Forget that child molestation is a CRIME, not just a sin. Shove aside that it must therefore be dealt with by the secular authorities, the higher authorities under Caesar's law. Just put all that aside and just treat it like a sin that the elders can determine repentance over, like fornication between consenting adults.

  The Watchtower Society doesn't understand the first thing about basic Christian principles as taught by Jesus. It only understands strict Pharasaical adherence to fanatical, cruel, legalistic interpretations that shove aside mercy, justice, etc.

  Strict, fanatical obedience to wrong legalistic Pharasaical interpretations is more important than ousting paedophiles from the congregation.

  Two witnesses, two witnesses, we must have our two witnesses.

  Sacrifice the children raped and who died for want of a blood transfusion on the Watchtowers's altar of legalistic, pharasaical, fanatical, compassionless, erroneous, immoral interpretations.

  The Watchtower says it abhors child abuse, but Jehovah abhors child sacrifice in the name of religion - Psalms 106:38; Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5; Ezekiel 16:20 etc, etc.

  By their fruits you will recognise them. There is no more rotten fruitage than a religion that has policies that harm and contribute to the death of children.